They will not participate, as a church, in any outside function with churches which do not also strictly base their faith and practice on the New Testament. Satan's eternal end is everlasting torment in the Lake of Fire (Revelation 20:10). I would of rather take the word literally than follow the world. As God's priests, we can study His Word, pray for our needs, intercede for others, offer worship, and serve in His work. Welpjust commented for the sake of the few who posted comments and clearly are rowing the same boat as I! And, aside from the ones you mentioned that are truly sinful (i.e, #17, #53), and the ones that are just inaccurate (i.e, #13, #16, #35), some of these are interesting picks to end up on the list. If you think that secular music (i.e., anything other than old time gospel hymns) is sinful, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 19. But I do know some churches practice free will offerings instead of tithing. If you feel compelled to go door to door witnessing (or were compelled to visit a nursing home as a teen), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 28. Also, Im not mocking Biblical beliefs. This is very good. I could come to him with anything that was bothering or troubling me and he NEVER judged me or held me in contempt by making me feel like I was less than or not good enough. Romans 5:8 is about salvation. If you believe that everyone who opposes IFB doctrine is just bitter, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 48. Stop this shamefulness, as you hurt the ministry of our Lord. What We Believe - Fundamentalist Baptist Church Ask questions if you need to and Ill be happy to explain more. (2 Timothy 2:15), We believe the first day of the week is the Lords Day. All Catholics will not go to heaven is absolutely wrong. All fellowship should be grounded in doctrine. 7 You hypocrites! You would probably also classify the God of the Old Testament as abusive. We dont believe if you get rid of all the sin in your life youll be a completely healthy person. If the IFB churches are hurting the cause of Christ, would your attitude and example also hurt His cause. This is because we live in this flesh. We believe the Blessed Hope of our Lord's return is literal, personal, visible, imminent, premillennial, and pretribulational. Independent Fundamental 47. 9 And dont address anyone here on earth as Father, for only God in heaven is your Father. Im happy to defend my position, but I dont tolerate assumptions, attacks, accusations, judgments, bullying or anything of the like. God knows the names of his children and for anyone to accuse another of security in Christ is hypocrisy. I get the vibe that you were alienate by IFB movement at some point, as were a lot of us, but dont try to use that as an excuse to go on a crusade against fellow believers. Amen! That doesnt necessarily mean they arent a dangerous cult. Ill fight against the abusive traditions and teachings of the IFB till I die. [13] Robertson had previously attracted media attention after he stated that gay people should be shot and New Zealand prime minister Jacinda Ardern should "go home and get in the kitchen". Im open to discussions what Im not open to is people telling me what God wants me to do with my time and resources. The other thing is: Nowhere in the bible are we commanded to attend a regular CHURCH building and dress nice. lm 8:4-9; Colossians 3:9-11). It didnt raise red flags for me. 52. We should not tell who are the good and bad Christians because we should treat everyone with love just like God loves every one of us. If you read any other bible besides the Kjv bible you not sining. The New IFB's website lists its core doctrines as salvation by faith alone, once saved always saved, King James Bible-only, the Trinity, soul-winning, "hard" preaching, prewrath post-tribulation rapture, and opposition of worldliness, Calvinism, dispensationalism, liberalism, and Zionism. I have no belief, opinion, or position of this I want no part of it except to expose it for what it is cultish. 22. Was so funny reading it, one thing that struck me is if an outsider were to read it theyd be incredulous, wondering how we stuck with it for so long. Does he always heal people no. If you believe that the wine referred to in the Bible is nothing more than fruit of the vine (AKA grape juice), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 26. We believe that a Fundamentalist is defined by their adherence to orthodox theology, orthodox methodology, and will only fellowship with those who do the same. Pastors daughter did my hair and cleaned my dress with baby wipes. WebThe Road to Emmaus Baptist Church is an independent Baptist church in Monaca, Pennsylvania. N/A Lastly, I cant really respond to the think that theres something spiritual about tolerating abuse because I have no idea where thats coming from in my initial post. For you cross land and sea to make one convert, and then you turn that person into twice the child of hell you yourselves are! If you feel guilty for not having devotions 7 days a week, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 42. God speaks to individuals through His Word and His Spirit. They bought your loyalty. Thanks. We believe in the autonomy of the local church free of any external authority or control. And I know you included that on your list, but there is a difference between joking and bitterness and I can see it in the comments as well as the post. If your church sings Just As I Am at the end of every service We sing that song once in a while since its a good invitational song. Gods will was for me to forgive. I will say though having grown up in that environment, there was a HUGE sense of support from the congregation, I always knew that if I needed something, I had people surrounding me who would help. If you went to a church camp where mixed bathing wasnt allowed and every evening there was a 3 hour sermon, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. The independent fundamentalist Baptist movement emerged sometime in the 1940s as an attempt to continue the legacy of the fundamentalist movement of the What Jesus did on the cross is for our salvation. Many on here were saved at a IFB church. 7. Those are my concerns about the 25 topics about the Independent Fundamental Baptist beliefs. I remember our pastor asking us if we could forgive each other, and praise the lord we forgave each other for the offenses committed against each other. There I am separate does that mean Im never going to curse, or think negative thoughts. WebWOL's Directory of Independent Baptist Churches; Independent Baptist Churches. If you see buses full of kids of all ethnicities and backgrounds coming to worship together, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. Same position regarding IFB belief 29. I go to an IFB church and thought a few of your statements could be funny if in the right spirit, some not so much and others I found untrue altogether. I dont believe the IFB church I go to has ulterior motives, but I havent been to any other church to apply that to all IFB churches. I prefer Kjv! Peace. Many churches are about the money, as is some of their pastors. Many Christians believe some of these distinctives, but true Baptists believe them all. You dont just GO WITH THE FLOW. An independent Baptist Missionary (24 years in Romania) has posted a site The Laymans Biblical Handbook. More than 200 doctrines at http://www.thelaymansbiblicalhandbook.com/ 42. All youve done in your last paragraph is parrot typical IFB talking points no substance there, just regurgitation. The parable of the prodigal son is talking about Israel the younger and Judah the elder. Ephesians 2:8-9 I dare say probably not. Steve, Im a 29 year old pastor of an independent Baptist church. Its our personal decisions that cause us to who to hell though most of their practices are not biblical, especially the devotions to the Virgin Mary as they especially have her as the intercessor. Like I said, forgiveness doesnt mean anything other than forgiveness. I have 3 children I sometimes spank I sometimes lecture. I survived the Christian fundamentalist world - Baptist News WebHeartland Baptist Bible College is unique. Everyone has sent in their life. Im so thankful for Gods grace on your life and the lives of your family. The Bible is inspired and preserved by God and carries His absolute authority. Even the General Baptists and the Free Will Baptists denounce eternal security, thus the only two Baptist groups that believe in Free Will. Our path is narrow, must we fight amongst each other while we walk it? We believe that men are justified by faith alone and are accounted righteous before God only through the merit of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. On the Arminianist view the church I go to now teaches from a biblical standpoint that salvation can still be lost. Out of over 30 , maybe 5 in 25 years 25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word. N/A Its a Biblical principle that we are commanded to follow. Its my calling and my ministry. The bitterness argument has been answered many times. We dont forgive people for their salvation we cant because we arent Jesus. Baptists believe the Bible and strive to live according to its teaching. People are people and free to choose their own way. There are some things that the IFB does very well, such as fellowship. We recognize the ordinances of baptism by immersion in water and the Lord's Supper as a Scriptural means of testimony for local churches in this age (Matthew. 31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. Basically he was just marketing for his college. We only care when we see new faces in the church, whether guests or new members. 29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: 30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. This is an independent fundamental Baptist program that has chapters in churches all across the country. I believe being separate is doing what God has commanded you to do. No, because thats not Gods will. You should have, instead of adding a dozen or so of your comments, said If you believe everything in the Bible, you might be an Independent Baptist. Please correct me if Im wrong, but arent we supposed to follow the teachings of the Bible, such as tithing? I hope whatever poor experience you had hasnt taken you away from the faith. I rarely post on random pages I stumbled upon but by his reaction, he didnt think Dave intended to be offensive to prove a point. Praise the lord God made salvation a gift, or I probably wouldnt have received it. You can read some of the experiences here: https://baptistdeception.com/testimonials/. Independent Fundamental Baptist is NOT a denomination because they are Independent I am not Baptist but they are CLOSE to being a denomination because of their beliefs. His son a child murderer. No member shall Webindependent Baptist, to place in the hands of members of independent Baptist churches to help them to know the meaning of church membership and to better understand the doctrines and polity of Baptists, and particularly the reasons why we are independent Baptists and not affiliated with one of the various and sundry organizations among Jesus tells us in Matthew 7:1-5: Judge not, that ye be not judged. I was sincerely disappointed. Lots of people at the church stoped what they were doing to attend. Believe it or not I can find time to pray while at the same time not sending my loved ones to an abusive church. Im sure that this was meant to be funny but I can tell that you seem bitter. You might be an IFB if Your child has went to church there 3x a week, his whole life, but when he leaves the church, your to have nothing to do with them. Mind you all this was before I repented and ask God for forgiveness. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: The Pharisees were filled with hypocrisy and iniquity and my church is not. We can joke around about a differing denomination that we dont agree with, but how we react to a situation that wasnt intended, also matters greatly. I respond to IFB jabs, sometimes that requires a jab back. New Independent Fundamentalist Baptist churches (also known as the New IFB) or officially the New Independent Fundamental Baptist Movement are an association of conservative, King James Only, independent Baptist churches. Anderson, Fannin and Shelley traded accusations of financial wrongdoing and running a cult. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. Pastor and his wife paid for reception, photographers, and and shower. Sermon Outlines The Bible-Believing Fundamentalist 6:14-17), We believe that God has commanded that no intimate physical activity be engaged in outside of marriage between a man and a woman. You are still required to tithe in the IFB regardless of your source of income. Yes, because he wants to spend a little time with his child. The Bible terms pastor, elder, and bishop refer to different responsibilities for the same office. IFB people as a whole, are generally willfully ignorant people. Due to the nature of the churches being independentin their autonomy, a percentage of what is believed, practiced or condemned by Independent Baptists (or IndependentFundamental Baptists, or Bible Believing Baptists, or IndependentBible Believing Baptists, or Unaffiliated Baptists, or Unaffiliated IndependentBaptists - just to 4 They crush people with unbearable religious demands and never lift a finger to ease the burden. WebBaptists reject the notion of baptism of people who do not know what is happening to them, such as children. There are independent Reformed/Calvinist Baptists, and independent Arminian Like I said, funny post, but a bit judgmental as well. Not of works, lest any man should boast. WHY do children that leave IFB churches hardly ever come back? We believe his power is supernatural, yet limited; and that he cannot act without the permission of God (Job 1:6-12; I John 4:4). What your pastor told you is extremely dangerous and silly. 4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? I will never forget that day that I sat in my pastors car and he prayed with me, he didnt know what was happening in my life, but he knew I needed someone to pray with and I could see it in his eyes. The IFB church I attend preaches cleaning the heart not performing works. I can forgive people for offenses committed against me. I loved him, but I hated the way he treated me. We believe that the strict, literal interpretation of the Bible makes us Baptists. 15 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. They simply do not know and probably lack the ability to do the research, but Cyril I. Scofield was a Confederate soldier who left his wife and two children and later remarried another woman. Pastor and his wife knew where we lived and probably wondered why, but they never asked or pried. I dont agree with the term, sowing discord with the brethren because I agree everything what the Bible teaches. We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ, the eternal Son of God, became man, without ceasing to be God, having been conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary, in order that He might reveal God and redeem sinful men (John 1:1-2, 14; Luke 1:35; Isaiah 9:6; 7:14; Philippians 2:5-8; Galatians 4:4-5). If your church as at least 2 Revivals per year, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. 27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. 39. Simply not true. We ONLY pray to God because saints dont serve as mediators to God the Father. When you discover that female is indeed wearing the acceptable dress, skirt or koulotts youre so relieved to know that shes right with God ! Reading any other version outside of the King James Version is sin same concern as I mentioned topic 1 6. If you believe that stateaccreditationfor a college is bad because it means that the government dictates what that college can/does teach,you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 30. That was an extensive list, and sooooo true! Since the origins of the church, Baptists have said the Bible is the only authority for Christian faith We did 2 weeks of counseling and got married at the end of our last session. The lost in the world watch us Christians closer than we know. However, the churches are united by a number of doctrines. No one should be forced to any belief against his or her will. God Bless. Same pastor who says to his congregation I love you, we all love you here.and we will not judge you. If we must consider these points as a point for consideration, these ought to be a source form the Bible. For you say that it means nothing to swear by Gods Temple, but that it is binding to swear by the gold in the Temple. 17 Blind fools! Some of these are humorous and right on the money. . I forgave and praise the lord in my life forgiveness was indeed profitable. Youre supposed to read the word daily, it says give us this day our daily bread. We affirm without apology the doctrines frequently identified as the Fundamentals of the Faith, which include the deity, virgin birth, sinless life, substitutionary death, bodily resurrection, and imminent return of Jesus Christ. I am a member of an IFB church, Many things on the above list dont apply to the church I attend or those with which I have had the opportunity to attend. Others are very much unfair criticism. Baptists are people of the Bible and not fellings. Get over it and work to rebuild the relationships instead of tearing down. I thought youd like that. Plus they pray to the saints. An individual independent church might come up with their own definition of faith, they might subscribe to a preexisting one, or they might not use any. It is the Divine Revelation of God to man and is the complete and infallible guide to faith and life. If you think that other than suits and ties for men is too casual for Sundays While I dont believe that you must dress up for church with suits and ties, however, I do believe we should honor God in His house by dressing up. Why wouldnt I stand up for something I believe in? We wanted help and we wanted to know what the Bible said. I already know where the IFB is coming from, I was indoctrinated in their dogma for 25 years. The thing is, its so insidious, you dont really realize its happening until youre firmly entrenched. Why dont you focus on the log in your own eye then you might be able to see the speck in my eye. 27. [4], Despite the website's claims that each church is independent, some followers and former followers of the New IFB have accused Anderson of having complete control over the organization and ejecting anyone who has a minor disagreement with him. If you think anything what the churches teach about salvation is easy believing this is not true in our congregation. If you first came to church because Brother Dave or Brother Mike knocked on your door and invited you, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. 35. Whether u believe its talking about judah/Ephraim or not. Read one thing, make a judgment that Im just bitter and move on. Its never spoken but up there to read. If you run into a church member at the grocery store and see that they have a bottle of wine or maybe a 6-pack of beer in their cart and you struggle over whether you should share this information with your pastor, you might be and independent fundamental Baptist! I am a pastor of a Baptist church, but rather than call myself INDEPENDENT, I call myself unaffiliated with the other Baptist Churches. Wherever there are people, there is sin. Besides I dont understand why you shouldnt listen to Contemporary Christian music. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things. You had to wear a tie if you wanted to preach or preside over the Lords Supper. 32. 50. If your church allows no outside group of singers to perform at your church for fear that not all of their individual theologies line up with the churchs you might be an independent fundamental Baptist. A strong percentage of our funding comes through several hundred local churches who support Abortion constitutes the unjustified, inexcusable taking of unborn human life. Independent Fundamental Baptist I mean yeah, theres some truth to a lot of this. 23. If I couldnt tolerate anyone saying something different I would instruct the site moderator to delete comments such as yours. God forgave me because Jesus Christ saved me. Our only Head is the Lord Jesus Christ and our only headquarters is heaven. Luke 8:17, Daniel 2:22, Luke 12:2. New Independent Fundamentalist Baptist churches (also known as the New IFB) or officially the New Independent Fundamental Baptist Movement are an association of conservative, King James Only, independent Baptist churches. They are counting on your service and tithe. you DVR the Superbowl (or watch sport center on your phone in the vestibule) because you cant miss church. The Conservative Baptist Association: "Winning the World" This led to calls to evict Stedfast Baptist Church from its location at a strip mall in Watauga, Texas. Did I have to marry him because I forgave him? You Might Be an Independent Fundamental Baptist if Im not responsible for how its perceived. You seem to enjoy copying and pasting scripture with no explanation or apparent relevance to the discussion so I thought Id give it a try also. I do think that you can drink but you just cant be drink which is a legalistic problem within most Independent Fundamental Baptists. You might be a hypocrite if you dedicate a whole website to exposing deception while using it.??? 26. Does the lord convict me when I miss? Your happy mega churches do too. I truly believe the IFB pastor and wife was just doing their job. [7], The New IFB currently lists 30 affiliated congregations on their website. I do agree that any time when you have health issues its because of sin which is why God allows pain and suffering. The New IFB does not consider itself to be a denomination. Independent Fundamental Churches of America If you think that tithing of ten percent of your income is the minimum I dont have any position on this even though I do believe in tithes and offerings. Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. Independent Baptist - RationalWiki Fannin was later ejected as the lead preacher of SBC-Jax. We as a couple decided to do things biblical. We believe in salvation by grace You consider it a personal failure if you are not able to find a verse within ten seconds, and secretly proud if you are able to find it right away. The two are completely unrelated. You are quick to throw in a jab about how much you dislike them, but cannot tolerate anyone saying different. Who are the Independent Baptists, and what do they believe? Whats wrong with a tract rack? Deacons help the pastor care for the flock so he can give priority to prayer and the ministry of the Word. Rather than attack one another, perhaps understand where both are coming from? I also KNOW the areas that Hes not pleased with as I choose to hold on to that which the Bible clearly states as sin. Oh well, maybe another discussion. Is that what the great commission tells us to do: Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and send lost loved ones to an IFB church so that they might be saved (DHV Don Holt Version). The IFB Insidious Fundamental Baptist Church . For they dont practice what they teach. I know the answers now. He perhaps worded somethings poorly perhaps, but he is completely turned off by your attitude and responses Steve. If you believe everything said in this article then you must not have spent much or any time in a fundamental church. If you believe that attending an IFB church is the only way to hear the true gospel and get saved, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 36. or any combination of the above isnt really saved because of that/those behavior(s), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 52. 43. Hmm, I cant think of a better word to describe the workings of the IFB! I dare say it would be the one you enjoy making fun of. We believe that the only marriage recognized by Scripture is the joining of one man and one woman. Scofield Bible!!!! LOL. For you shut the door of the Kingdom of Heaven in peoples faces. Frankly its not your place to tell me what I should and shouldnt do (typical IFB who thinks they know what everyone is supposed to be doing). 38. He is the Head of the church. We believe that all the redeemed, once saved are kept by God's power and are thus secure in Christ forever. Praise God because us getting married and having faith we both grew. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. I came to get a few laughs but it sounds like you were really hurt by some church growing up. We believe that the Holy Spirit is the Person who reproves the world of sin, of righteousness, and of judgment; and that He is the Supernatural Agent in regeneration, indwelling all believers and sealing them unto the day of redemption (John 16:8-11; II Corinthians 3:6; Romans 8:9; Ephesians 1:13-14). All churches are full of sinful people, including the pastor. Using guitars in church is too liberal That was not the case at the church I grew up in when the last pastor I had when he came to Mountain Church of Christ when he first arrived (which is instrumental though membership is small). If your child is behaving like a child but you think they are rebellious, misbehaving, mischevious, etc. If you look down on people who are divorce That is absolutely wrong. The establishment and continuance of local churches is clearly taught and defined in te New Testa ment Scriptures (Acts 14:27; 20:17, 28-32; I Timothy 3:1-13; Titus 1:5-11). No, because I have said and thought some things I regret. JUDAH. When you finally get the blinders off let me know, we will rejoice with you. are the result of sin and poor choices, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 46. 23 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, 2 The teachers of religious law and the Pharisees are the official interpreters of the law of Moses. Wow! Quite the contrary, I was searching for something else when I clicked on this link, so I didnt then and dont now come looking to argue. To the author, I hope youll be okay someday and if you can find a way to dig out that root I think youll find peace. King James is the inspired word of God While I do like the old King James Bible but King James Only is wrong because its misleading and its legalism. I had a pastor who was reaching out to me in the darkest part of my life, he used a broken phone as a way to get to me, he knew I could try and fix it, so he brought it to me and, rather than berating me, after I had fixed the phone he simply asked me Would it be okay if we just prayed together? and I knew, in that moment, that he actually did care about me, he didnt ask me to come to church, didnt ask for money, didnt ask for anything except for the opportunity to pray with me.

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